Hokkeko vs. Soka Gakkai

by Dana
(USA)

Hello, I wanted to share my experience.
I got out of the evil and horrible Soka Gakkai!! It was the best decision I ever made. The Soka Gakkai did everything it could to keep the laity (worshippers) distant from the Nichiren ShoShu Priests. I continue to practice with the Nichiren ShoShu, now. SGI can NEVER take that away from me. Someday the world will see Ikeda and the SGI for the evil organization it really is.




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Dec 19, 2010
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starstarstarstarstar 		What?
by: Anonymous

I think you got it backwards. Justice vs. injustice. Going from an organization of openness to blindly following the priests. Think about your actions.
NMRK
Feb 25, 2011
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starstarstarstarstar 		agreed
by: Anonymous

why do you need to go through the priesthood in order to attain your own enlightenment and buddha nature? the idea is completely at odds with nichiren's teachings.
Mar 01, 2011
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starstarstarstarstar 		Compassion for all
by: Anonymous

Hopefully the truth can be revealed to the blind soon.

Can how one gain Buddhahood and Enlightenment without a proper teacher and a correct object of worship?

How could one without Heritage of the law and the High sanctuary of Dai-Gohonzon lead people to the True happiness?

Do not condemn the blind but educate them, do not let the blind get on your nerves, for we must have the deep compassion. Let them curse, swear and insult, for everything has a cause and effect relationship, or rather let them form a poison-drum relationship.

For the fortunate ones whose eyes have seen the True Law, dont stop propagating. Keep the spirit on for worldwide Kosen Rufu!

Mar 19, 2011
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starstarstarstarstar 		Civil dialogue would help
by: Anonymous

I don't think that it's useful to slander either Hokkeko or the Soka Gakkai. I have no doubt that there are good and sincere people in both organizations. There may be real differences of opinion but I think that this animosity hurts both organizations. Many potential believers likely look at this conflict and think "How can they ever hope to achieve world peace when they can't even achieve a truce between two Nichiren sects?". It would likely be useful if the two organizations would engage in a civil, online dialogue to reach such a truce, if not a full resolution, of this conflict.
May 04, 2011
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starstarstarstarstar 		The Evil of Soka Gakki
by: kcworld

In Soka Gakkai Also One has To Go Through a Evil Priest Called Daisaku Ikeda, a Slanderer of The Highest Order, Who Has Done Everything That He Could to Destroy Buddhism Worldwide and Spread His Own Evil Philosophy Worldwide in the Name of Spreading Buddhism. It is Like Selling a Duplicate Medicine in the Name of The Original, Those Who Consume It Think That They have Got The Original Medicine, but Latter on Instead of Getting Better, They Become More Sick In The End. They Lose Their Minds and Can No Longer Distinguish Between The Correct and Incorrect Teachings of The Buddhism. Such People Will In The End Definitely Fall Into The Hell FOR THE SLANDERS THAT THEY HAVE COMMITTED!
May 23, 2011
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by: Roberto

Hi to everybody, i am an italian member of SGI and I agree with the fact which a civil dialogue would help, avoiding to "demonize" each other. I would like to meet people of the hokkeko in order to chant together in front of their Gohonzon as i am tryng to do with other members of other schools.
I think the best way to solve this conflict which lasts too much, with sorrows in both the sides, is as first act chant together, then discuss without anger. I think that as earthly bodhisattvas we should overcome the differences among us. I did not choose Buddhism in order to start civil wars. We should avoid to criticize and slander each other which is the worst slander of the law we both can do, no matter who is right or wrong, for the sake of all the people who chant and spread Nam(u) Myoho Renge Kyo.
I wish the best to you all



Note from the editor:
Thanks Roberto, I agree with you, conflicts are unnecessary and just a result of the ego of men.
May 29, 2011
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by: Roberto

My appeal to both SG and Hokkeko members is to stay out of this "mess". Only the "High Ranks" of both the sides know what exactly happened in Japan twenty years ago. Let them solve this conflict on their own, without involving us.
Nov 15, 2011
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starstarstarstarstar 		you know the old Adage
by: Anonymous

The conflict between NSA and SGI is just that A 20 year old conflict that No one knows what the real reason is anymore. It has become so common among the 2 organizations that is has become like Oil and water, Never mixing and always in conflict with each other.

From what I have Read in the recent days about what the other is saying and vice versa. It makes the whole conflict sound like a "He Said She Said" sort of Argument. Frankly Its getting old and I'm certainly tired of hearing about it day after day after day, or every year around October.

WE all want to learn about Daishonin's Teaching. WE all have that right to learn the differences and then decide on our own what is right and what is wrong.

I'm Sorry I want to Learn about Buddhism and not about the civil conflict between NSA and SGI or any other sect of Nichiren Buddhism. All the Sects deserve the respect that they have earned no matter what the Internal problems are.
Dec 12, 2011
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starstarstarstarstar 		Soka vs. Hokekko
by: violet blue

Soka vs. Hokekko: mystical materialism for the masses. They don't believe in God, yet the members treat the Gohonzon like a deity. Sorry, but there's a conflict there. The best thing I every did was leave. Long live Our Lord Jesus Christ who conquered death.
Dec 13, 2011
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starstarstarstarstar 		The Gohonzon is not bad.
by: Anonymous

To the person who feels that JESUS is the way, and Buddhist have it wrong:

You sit in judgement of those who chant in front of a Gohonzon. Buddhists know it's no more of a God than a Bible is God to a Christian. BOTH Objects are a collect of words considered to be precious to the beholder.

When Christians go to church to worship, what happens? They hear the words from the bible being read. They cherish and worship those words as holy and sacred. Buddhists feel that the same way about their Gohonzons and the Gosho for the same reason.

Most Christians make use of an image, either a cross, statue, passage of their Bible, and some even use rosary beads and candles. Many kiss their cross or bible, and some will anoint them with oil, a pagan practice carried over into Christianity. You NEVER see a Buddhist kissing their Gohonzon or rubbing magic oil on it the way so many Christians do to their crosses.
Although Buddhists do not kiss their Gohonzon the way many Christians kiss their crosses, I believe that Buddhists don't hold any less reverence for their Gohonzon than a Christian does for their cross or Bible. We just don't worship the Gohonzon to the severity of kissing it. So, if anyone's worship practice is treating something like it's a living being that needs to be kissed to show it affection, it's not Buddhists who are doing that, but Christians!

I believe that a dedicated man or woman who is a priest/pastor/rabbi/and so on, dedicated to humanity, is a good person, no matter what - Catholic, Buddhist, Mormon, whatever it is. Good is Good Period! It is not predicated upon a particular religion or sect. I've chanted, studied, and practiced with Buddhists of different sects and Christians of different faiths. Why do I spend time with them reading Gosho, Bible, Book of Mormon, and others? Because Good is Good no matter what.
If any of us REALLY care about others, we will share what we know, allow others to be who they are, and be happy for them when they find happiness and enlightenment.

You can’t overdose on goodness. Just because Blue looks good on me does not mean that it will look good on someone else. Just because a person likes hip-hip music, doesn’t mean that it's the correct choice for everyone, and that all other forms of music are the wrong form.

Necessity is the mother of invention, and mankind has certainly come up with many creative ways to compose and perform music as well as creative paths to enlightenment. If you feel that Jesus is the correct path for you, that's great, but knocking others for having found happiness in a different way of worship, that shows me that you are concerned with what you feel, and it's all about you, and that you want to have it your way, and that the rest of us who don't agree with you are all sinful and wrong. People who make statements like yours are precisely why I am no longer a Christian minister.
Dec 13, 2011
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starstarstarstarstar 		How do you kill a God?
by: Anonymous

To the individual who claims that Jesus is alive, I've yet to met anyone who has seen him recently.

Since you claim that Jesus is the Lord/God, then I'd Like to ask you the following question:

How Does One Kill A God? Please answer this question without going into hysterics of "He Is Risen" or "The blood of the lamb."

Consider this: When Jesus was being crucified, He screamed at God, "Why have you forsaken me?" How ungodly!

It's obvious that Jesus did Not receive any Divine Intervention, Protection, or Favor from God! He was left to die on the cross -humiliated, tortured, and left to die on the cross as Proof of being A Human that Can Be Killed, NOT an indestructible God!

Consider the Bible story of Jesus' crucifixion, that it could have been described very differently: "And God was So angry with Jesus for impersonating God, that God refused to help him, and allowed him to be shown for what he truly was - an impostor! God allowed the impostor to be punished as proof for all to see that he was not God, that he could be killed just like any man, and so it was that God did not rescue or comfort him, but instead allowed the world to be witness to the terrible lie that he had told the world, "If you see me, you've seen the father." For had the father truly been with him, he would have never allowed him to suffer needlessly, to be humiliated, tortured, and to be put to death as the mortal human he was. God allowed humanity a chance to become aware of one of the greatest counterfeit false Gods of all time - Jesus."

The message Jesus' death on that cross sent was not one of "I died for you so that all of your sins can be washed away!". The message Jesus sent to the world was, "I lied! I'm not really an immortal, indestructible God, I lied. Although I am not a typical person, as I proved to you all by the things I did for you to see, I was not honest when I allowing you to think that God and I are one in the same. I lied. Because of my lie, I am being forsaken by God and left to die for my sin." That's the message that was sent, because you Can't Kill a God! A God would not need to allow himself to be killed or to put on a falsehood of being killed. It would serve no purpose.

Based on the bible, God showed favor to the Jews and allowed Moses to part the sea, and a host of other things, like allowing Jesus to do miracles, but why then would God not do a simple task to save his so-called own son?


You Can't Kill A God! Saying that he went up into heaven, well, that's all good and nice, but no matter how you look at it, you can't kill a God, and Jesus was killed, Dead! Your Bible contradicts itself. In Genesis, it says that each creature will produce offspring after its own kind. If that is true, then a Human can only give birth to another Human, not a monkey or a God. It goes against "God's Word" in Genesis, and if you are a good Christian, you can't go against what God says, can you?
Dec 13, 2011
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starstarstarstarstar 		My apologizes
by: Violet Blue

I want to apologize for my comments. Sorry if I can across as insensitive and intolerant.

I was, I confess, going by my experiences at a specifice Hokekko temple that I belonged to:

What I saw in this specific temple, were member putting down other Buddhist sects, and of course, other religions. Very Un-Buddha-like. They believed that there way is the only way - no different than others.

More than once I've heard members say, "if you stop practicing, bad things will happen to you". Doesn't this sound familiar? Isn't it similar to telling someone that they're going to Hell?

Once again, my deepest apologize. As Buddha, Christ or any spiritual person would say, we have to be compassionate of accepting of others, and our differences. Peace.


***********Note from Hugo**********

Violet Blue,

This message shows how mature and humble you are.
Your first message showed a little confrontation but his one shows a better attitude that most people, when talking about religion, should have.
Thank you.
Dec 14, 2011
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starstarstarstarstar 		You're welcome, Hugo!
by: Violet Blue

You are so welcome, Hugo. As I stated before, in every religion, you're going to find good people and bad people; your intolerant, arrogant ones and your tolerant, peaceful ones. If the world were more like the latter, it would be a better place. We all can learn from each other. A perfect example: one of my favorite saints of all times, Francis of Assisi, loved and respected everyone and everything alike. But what touched me the most about him was his friendship with a famous sultan during one of the bloodest times in history - during the Crusades. If that doesn't say it all, then I don't know what. Peace, brother!
Dec 16, 2011
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starstarstarstarstar 		Two Asuras
by: Anonymous

It is no wonder they fight like two Asuras. The SGI is the crooked shadow of the crooked tree [NST].
Jan 22, 2012
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starstarstarstarstar 		Agree NEW
by: Anonymous

I agree, you have it backwards. Have you truly studied the Buddhism of Nichiren Daishonin then you realized you changed those who fight for justice for those who don't care about it.

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